After a little reflection, I decided this is putting the cart before the horse. With Central Banks all today looking, at least to some extent, at achieving stability in the purchasing power of their currency in terms of real goods (inflation targeting), that means not only are they vigilant and reactive to inflationary signs … but they are equally attentive to any deflationary signs.
Net-producers extracting currency from the flow to hoard as savings increases the tightness in the flow of the currency, which will naturally lead to deflation in goods prices if it remains unchecked. But, of course, in today's world it doesn't remain unchecked for long - because more supply will quickly be Quantitatively Eased into the currency flow in order to prevent any perception of illiquidity building up.
Hence my opinion is the opposite: the money is printed as a result of the tightness in the market for the currency, which to some extent is attributable to the net-producers having hoarded the currency.
If/when the surplus producers in swelling numbers may choose to no longer suck up liquidity from the currency flow and hoard it as their savings, instead choosing some other asset in exchange for their surplus incoming currency, the need for printing to counteract the effect of surplus-saving currency off-take will abate.
Traditionally, that is to say for the last few decades, the Central Banks of surplus-producing nations have chosen to send their surplus incoming currency back where it came from, in return for a Treasury bond that will see them receive their promised currency later, with a few friends tacked on for their patience in waiting. In the course of this arrangement, the trade deficit nations have avoided a need to either [a] issue more currency to keep their own local currency flow liquid, preventing prices from dropping and potentially bringing about a deflationary death spiral like the 1930's, or [b] watch as the surplus nations use their currency to bid against them for goods and services on the world markets, which would result in higher prices for those goods and services. You'll note that avoidance of [a] has no longer been the case, since 2008 when the QE programs started rolling out.
I say 'traditionally', because the indications seem to suggest that this arrangement between the Central Banks of deficit and surplus countries (which is often referred to as 'structural support' within Freegold discussions) appears to have broken down. Quantitative Easing by the major Western Central Banks is an indication that the currency flow is tight within those zones, which is depressing prices for goods & services and that in turn is threatening to precipitate the aforementioned 30's-style deflationary spiral. The flow is tight because those with savings are, in aggregate, choosing to hold onto the currency rather than spending it into the flow of commerce as they more normally might, or alternatively swapping the currency with the Treasury for a bond asset so that the Treasury can re-spend that currency and worry about how to repay the bonded loan later when it matures. The velocity of the currency through the economy is reducing, and this is being counteracted by the Central Banks injecting more currency into the flow.
In my opinion, the problem arises when the holders of these currencies, in aggregate, realise that none of the Central Banks are simply going to sit idly by and allow deflation to take hold. So why would these savers continue to hoard against the false expectation of lower prices later? At this point, there will be a greater supply of currency in the system ("M") as a result of all the QE activities, and it will begin to flow again at a higher velocity ("V") through the economy as people cease hoarding.
If M and V both grow, and we assume economic activity has by then continued to shrink (Q is smaller), which feels to me to be a more than realistic expectation. This only leaves one place that will at that point in time be undetermined: P(rices).
Bigger M times Bigger V, with smaller Q … can only result in larger P(rices). There is nowhere else in the equation for the markets to rectify the imbalance, only P is at that moment in time a variable that is up for discussion between market participants.
As prices commence a quick ratchet higher, as more and more people dishoard their saved currency… who will be the last fool to part with their currency hoard for something real?
Bernanke et-al believe they will be able to pull back some of the currency supply from the flow through the system before this gets out of control. I'm unconvinced of their ability to pull this off. How about you?
Even if they did manage to pull it off, where would the government find all the cash it needs to pay the bills … if more of the circulating currency is in the hands of private actors, as yet untaxed and therefore unavailable to the Treasury for spending?
Will the Fed sacrifice government spending for the sake of the dollar's value?
Will the government allow them to?
Wassat? Some of you are thinking "they'll just sell some more bonds to Johnie Foreigner again, like always".
I refer you once more to the small matter of QE evidencing there is now a problem with that 'structural support' arrangement.The indications are, support is being withdrawn.
Germane article from Casey Rearch, at Financial Sense.
Traditionally, that is to say for the last few decades, the Central Banks of surplus-producing nations have chosen to send their surplus incoming currency back where it came from, in return for a Treasury bond that will see them receive their promised currency later, with a few friends tacked on for their patience in waiting.
People talk about holders of Treasury bonds as though they possess this "money". But they don't - they possess today a promise to deliver currency at some date in the future.
This is one part of the reason Freegolders say the hyperinflation of the dollar has already happened, but is yet to be recognised. All the world has to do in order to release the genie, is to stop rolling over old Treasury bonds into more Treasury bonds as they mature. The promised dollars will then finally be theirs to keep and spend at a time of their choosing. But where will they come from? Will that giant sucking sound dry up liquidity at home? Will the Central Bank sit idly by?
Yep. Not buying it either.
Ah-ha! Johnie Foreigner finally showed up to save the day again.
"So why would these savers continue to hoard against the false expectation of lower prices later?"
1.) Because there is nothing to spend on? On what $ products? Or on what €-PIIGS products?
2.) Uncertainty of the people? Better have it in the checking account? Why "invest" in bond-like stuff if interest rates are zero or equal to checking accounts?
3.) The Have-Not are already damm broke and the Have-All are getting fatter...due to that, I also have some doubts about the stock&commodity market.
4.) Therefore hmmmm, I really wonder to which direction this bubble should/will blow up, but HI I dont see in the cards at all, due to 3.) with austerity increasing.
just my2cents from a german perspective.
Hi EG :-)
HI I dont see in the cards at all, due to 3
This appears to imply HI = consumers drive prices up, like inflation-on-steroids? Which surprises me somewhat, coming from you.
no no, that's not my point. These days are really really strange, nothing fits at all...
Thinking about your comment regarding aspects of inflation, how about that one: The consumers have become a bad bank for the money flow from the CB to the "producers"?
Meaning that there is no real money circle any more at all, just a steady static outflow from the credit creation to the liquidity hoarders?
Yes, while producers choose to save their "lines in the sand" rather than cashing them in at the market for something else instead, then there is a one-way pipeline of cash that runs to the producers' side of the beach and they relentlessly pile up there. The CB then need to pump in more cash at the other end of the sausage factory, to prevent a shortage of money developing along the production line. But I already know you appreciate what I think the producers should do to end that and get the money circulating back into the system… so I can't help feeling like you mean something more, which I am not understanding clearly from your comment?
I'm interested by your depiction of consumers as a bad bank. Perhaps you can expand upon what you mean by that? It may even be key to my understanding what your real point is? If you had said the consumers were turning the CB into a bad bank, I would feel like I understood already, but the consumers themselves being the bad bank I am having more difficulty getting my hands around.
Let's just for a moment forget our austrian perspective bias of who is a "producer" and who is a "consumer". Let me give you my monetary definition:
When taking just a snap shot in time, an entity that has an outflow of currency and inflow of real stuff (ownership titles as well) is a consumer, regardless what he does with that stuff physically. Yes?
Now the exciting part is, where does/did he get the currency from for the outflow? And my perspective is: From somebody's balance sheet, how the "debt" is "packaged" from there, does not really matter, because it is never intended to be paid back anyway, therefore I find it appropriate call such consumer a bad bank.
Two examples: 1.) "Come to our shop, we sell you our latest LCD-TV and we give you (our not existing) money to pay us at the same time..."
2.) I personally know an entity that is buying up in my manufacturing industry for >>4billion€ a complete branch of the industry. Without any own capital, purely financed by bonds and rolling those over year after year, nobody cares nobody questions. Crazy, but it seems that's just the way it is today.
Without any own capital, purely financed by bonds and rolling those over year after year, nobody cares nobody questions. Crazy, but it seems that's just the way it is today.
Yes. Savers are pretty slow.
Come to our shop, we sell you our latest LCD-TV and we give you (the bank's not existing) money to pay us at the same time...
The shop get the bank's money. The bank gets a packageable loan to punt on to the savers and skim off a little origination fee. Everyone's happy!
Savers are pretty slow.
Here's lookin at you, kid ;-) http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2012/12/arguments-against-freegold.html
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